As I stated previously, if she cannot speak for herself, Im happy to step up on her behalf. And its been bad. I noticed that her defense lawyer and others advocating for her is not mentioning more about the gun. The criminal, a crazy with a psychotic crush on a man, the planner a individual with a lot of self esteem and narcissistic charm who can persuade women, was rich thought compared to the individual in this case, and the victim, a woman who saw her life only as a wife and mother and had no other pretensions, and that even if she had threatened the individual that she would leave a few times, she always stayed. and there are probably many people who still think he is innocent too. which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory.. She definitely did it. She also will never get to see them get married. More than 20 years after her conviction, Patricia Rorrer still has advocates working to exonerate her. On closer inspection, he saw it was the body of a woman. The woman who was showing the home alleged that Patricia was involved in the theft. I think shes guilty for sure. Patricias professional life included short-lived gigs as a Century 21 real estate agent and an Oldsmobile salesperson. But to settle for just anyone being the offender offers no justice to the victims and certainly does no merit to those who are woefully lacking in ALL the details of this case, but nevertheless feel the need to vent their spleen on an innocent person. Pat will spend the rest of her natural life in prison where people like her belong. Patricia had a violent past and was absolutely positively the killer. How so? Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Until next time, cheers. Flaw in reasoning. This witness was never revealed to Rorrers defence. Sorry, I must have missed your name on the witness list. One more thing acquire ALL the facts about this case If you can read. "We will never again know the joy and love we knew for 33 years," the letter stated. This woman was obsessed and jealous. The state made a case fueled by circumstantial evidence and public outrage over the deaths of a modern-day madonna and child. What a contrived case! Prosecutor pounds away. She has no means to reply or rebut this outrageous slurs and these forums are the only way I know where people may become aware of the wrongful conviction of innocent person and equally, those who happily believe all the adverse and damaging comments. "This is the 13th case solved after the creation of the cold case task force," said El Dorado County District Attorney Vern Pierson. Patricia Prue to undergo 2nd competency exam, Your California Privacy Rights / Privacy Policy. Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. If you have ever met or been in a relationship with a narcissist, the former partner being with a more young and attractive-looking person would make them go off. And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. Why bother with this site, which isnt for professional criminalists/forensic scientists, if youre going to get so tetchy and rude? The first rule of a murder is motive. Patricia Prue also expressed remorse for her husband's actions. I cant lose them, he told the media. Re Sells, the problem viz some serial killers is in exaggerating the number as a badge of honour. She was falsely convicted of killing her husband when the Los Angeles Police Department reopened a 17-year-old cold case after coercing two witnesses to tape a confession pegging Patricia Wright and family friend Lawrence Slaughter as the killers. Patricia defaulted on her mortgage and then returned to North Carolina, where she eventually moved in with a boyfriend named Brian Ward. She killed Joann, had a fair and impartial trial, so its time to get over it. Yaser Said's ex-wife Patricia Owens gives victim statement after guilty verdict Mother of Sarah and Amina Said calls Yaser Said 'the devil' after a Dallas jury found him guilty. Help, the younger sister could be heard crying on a 911 recording. Any true crime fan should know the crazy history of these magic boxes. Patricia and her defense team denied that allegation and said she owned her home, had no financial issues and that Jerome was dying of liver cancer and only had 60 days to live. Jenkins at one time had hired Allen Prue to plow her driveway. Andrew described his existence with Joanne and Alex as a little Camelot., Ex-spouse off list. The difference between the cases was that the child was not injured and the individual wrote down the details of the plan in a notebook, but otherwise it seems extremely similar to me. Advocates for her innocence complain of hype surrounding the case. The fact that her jeans were unbuttoned and unzipped. I can only suggest you read through my comments again, only more thoroughly. Another former boyfriend said she talked about Andrew frequently and liked to gaze at old photos of him. The reason Interpol was involved is because all three had different European citizens, as a result of which it was very difficult to follow the thread of the event. Police theorize she owned the gun, but its neither here nor there whether she used a particular gun to kill and would make sense (to a wise perp) that the gun couldnt be linked to her by past activity. At the trial, prosecutor Michael McIntyre alleged that Patricia remained obsessed with Andrew Katrinak long after their breakup despite testimony that shed had many boyfriends and live-in lovers to occupy her bandwidth. He took two tests and there was deception detected in BOTH. And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. Her jealousy and rage because Joann told her to not contact her husband set her off. Claps! Read the crime and public safety news your neighbors are talking about. "Please do the right thing for Melissa.". "Justice would have been the Irving Police Department doing their job," defense attorney Joe Patton said during closing arguments. Patricia Prue had been planning to use an insanity defense if the case were to go to trial, but she asked the court in December if she could change her plea so she could begin corresponding with her husband once again. There is way too much doubt in this case for my comfort. I would think if she would have an passed they definitely wouldve started looking somewhere else but there was just too much evidence against her anyway so.. and with forensics the way they are today. . As for the murder weapon, police didnt find a .22 caliber pistol on Patricias property, but an ex-boyfriend claimed that she owned one and it would always jam after one shot. But in October 1998, the LAPD established a cold case task force and reopened the murder case 17 years after Jerome Scotts death. Great communicator. Its a video on Utube Judges For Justice featuring her case. When she was there, she refused to discuss her private life or where she came from.. His favorite rattle, shaped like a phone, lay near the crime scene. Ms. Marsicovetere cited studies done by several doctors during pretrial proceedings, saying that they determined Patricia Prue suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder and might suffer from dissociative identity disorder as well. If you look at the crime scene picture, only parts of the mother seem preserved. If that really is the case, the husbands alibi for a date months before becomes irrelevant. In 1995, Larry Wright was facing a 10-year sentence for two felonies, risk of an injury to a minor and violating a restraining order, and a misdemeanor for threatening by saying, Im going to kill you, to his wife after he caught her cheating. Watching Reasonable Doubt right now hope they also find that she did it. Oh, and she was so obsessed with him that she started dating and found herself a boyfriend that was not only younger, but much more attractive than Andy? And Patricia wasnt all edges. He had an attractive new wife and beautiful baby boy. No Jail Time for Former Corrections Officer and Friend Who Together Breached the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6. Locked up. Yaser Abdel Said, 65, was found guilty of the 2008 capital murders of his daughters, Sarah Said, 17, and Amina Said, 18, according to the Dallas Morning News. Although I would have liked it to be death! Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. Im sorry for the distress this awful business must have caused. Saphira Wolf forgive me, but I dont have the time, or wish, to respond to idiotic comments. Clifford Freeman, since you are already at the top of the list of deluded people not much room left for anyone with an oversized ego such as you apparently have!! Armed homeowners Mark and Patricia McCloskey stood in front of their house in June 2020, confronting protesters who were marching to St. Louis Mayor Lyda Krewson's I find it weird that youre going to kill a woman just because she hung up on you and maybe tell you some shitty world because you call like an ex. DALLAS, Texas - A Dallas jury unanimously found Yaser Said guilty of killing his two teen daughters on Tuesday. Judges may have the discretion to reduce a felony in a wobbler case to a misdemeanor. She said that shes no fan of Forensic Files and that the show had many misrepresentations about her case and that shed heard ForensicFilesNow.com mixed up some facts as well. In recent years, she began to share key details about her past life in Pittsburgh to nursing home staff that led Unless theres a complicity between him and her, and the reason she didnt divulge it is because she hopes to put all the blame on him, when she was the one to murder and he was a planner. Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. The girls mother, Patricia Said, fled with both girls in the week before their killings because she was in great fear of her life, police said. This is all BS.She did it. Susan Wright is out of prison after killing her husband in TX. But because there is no author of this page, I would like you to contact me on the Free Patricia Rorrer facebook page. How do you explain her not telling the truth to the authorities about the gun and its flaw of only able to shoot once and then jamming up. And the point the hair in her hand wasnt tested was because they didnt need it since they had the killer shame on everyone who went along with that. But I suppose you havent a clue about that. Some lawyers call microscopic hair analysis junk science that today wouldnt qualify as evidence in a trial like Rorrers. Microconidia DNA, as long as the strand is one inch long they can pull the DNA from that. They were telling the truth and revealing the type of person she was, a person that definitely would kill out of jealousy and revenge. Im inclined to think both Rorrer and Routier are guilty. She made Joanne kill the baby PLEASE. Rorrers filed multiple appeals over issues you raise, the latest recently and rejected. And I hope I can get down to see her., Were very thankful to know that Patty is alive and well, Smith added. In North Carolina, she reportedly enjoyed some success as a horse trader, riding instructor, and rodeo competitor. Relatives at the time told cops that Yaser threatened bodily harm against Sarah for going on a date with a non-Muslim. She only spoke on the phone with him a couple of times a year; when she called that last time, she didnt even know if Andys child was a boy or a girl, and the baby was almost 4 months old. The fact that previous boyfriends noted her obsession with Andrew is very, very telling. According to the Charley Project, a missing persons database named after Charles Brewster Charley Ross, one of the first Americans kidnapped for a ransom in the nations history, Patricia Kopta went missing in June 1992 and was reported missing in November 1992. I've been thinking about them the last two weeks every morning when I wake up and close my eyes," she said. Tommy Lynn Sells admitted to killing a 9-10 old boy in Indiana I think and the mom Julie (cant remember her last name) was jailed mainly due to the ex-husband (father of her son) testified and said things that werent true. I didnt read anything in this article that convinced me I didnt like that the lab had a bad rep and I do agree the police lie and frame people sometimes so I cant say 100% she did it or not. If you want to help her tell her to ask God for forgiveness. She embraced spontaneity and diligence. Patricia McCloskey, who menaced the marching crowd with her finger on the trigger of a handgun, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was ordered to pay a fine of $2,000. He was happy. This woman was not innocent, but she is very good at manipulating people into feeling sorry for her. The fact that there is LITERALLY NO EVIDENCE that Patricia was actually obsessed with Andy; they spoke as friends maybe twice a year. So, lets take your response one step at a time. All that remains is the conclusion of an appeal that Prue's husband Allen Prue has made to the Vermont Supreme Court following his October conviction in Jenkins' murder. Her brother Larrys false confession was all the LAPD needed to put Patricia behind bars. I happen to be one of those deluded people youre so freely attempting to insult. There was a blood-stained fingernail and hair found on the victims body, and even though (in Keith Morrisons Dateline documentary) the Asst. Discuss and express opinion; stop short of asserting that those of the other view (that of judge and jury, at least) are ignorant of facts and wrong, and youre right, because by definition its reasonable for lay people to accept the jury verdict. This case is not over yet more to follow only trouble is, law moves along at a pitiful pace. I want to keep the tons of old jewelry but Im perplexed. Youre right about my comments on other sites, but those seem to have an abundance of hate-mongers who feel no need to mince their words hence my retorts to those. It wasnt aimed at any one video producer. I think Patricias defenders are implying the hair came from some unknown person. The difference was made by the investigation, Interpol has some good detectives who do not play with peoples freedom and who do not use American techniques such as pictures, lets compare hair color after pictures bullshit, not even with the performance of todays cameras such a thing is not allowed, the issue of dismantling the alibi only with indirect evidence, like that her name was not in the notebook, a European court would withdrew it immediately, you cant go with a thing like this, its called inconclusive proof, even the fact that one of the witnesses said that the business was not opened where she said it was that day, its inconclusive, the accused can say that he/she forgot, was there and left, and his alibi I dont know how it was verified, but what should been verified first were the contacts between him and her, if he contacted her before that, if she had been contacted from public phone for example before the murder, how many times, when etc, if he was near the places where she was until the murder, things like that. It was like living in your room and getting to go to your kitchen for one hour a day, remembers Larry Wright. Im quite happy to accept that ANYONE who makes a TV documentary makes it for money. If you subscribe to Hulu and upgrade to Starz (theres a free one-week trial offer), you can stream the Wrong Man episodes about Patricia Rorrer. It makes me sick. False. Then you claim this is an opinion. Patricia and her husband broke up after the babys death. Why would somebody tell you, theyre going to fry me, if they didnt do it? Jarrett told Wrong Man. They told him that if he testified against his sister, Patricia, he would be able to get out of prison sooner. Allen Prue maintains that he is innocent, and he has appealed his conviction to the Vermont Supreme Court. But Im sure that was just a coincidence LOL. Amina was 18 years old and was shot two times and Sarah was 17 The only record of a call from Patricia to the Katrinak household was on 12/7/94. Shes extremely, extremely happy with the baby. Trash-talking ex. Im dying. But unfortunately other than God only two people know exactly what really happened and one is not alive. In another peculiar turn of events, LAPD had failed to preserve the evidence when Jerome Scotts body was found two days after his murder. Exactly She had had numerous run-ins with the police and, each time, would tell them to be ready because the end of the world was coming. Ex-boyfriend Walter Blalock said that Patricia wanted him to be more like Andrew. Angry that Joann hung up on her, she stalked her for three days, then broke into her basement and cut the phone line, put a gun to Joanns head as she was placing Alex in the car, and forced her to drive to the rural area. The LAPD alleged that Patricias motive was to get Jeromes insurance money, which had a value of $30,000. They also presented an email from the girls to one of their teachers prior to the murder saying they feared their father would kill them. Theyre just not willing to investigate/research as to the truth. He says he "feared for his life" and left the girls in the cab alive as he ran away. . And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. Police identified the pair as Joann and Alex Katrinak. Why not question some of this evidence? Shes attracted the help of writer Tammy Mal (full name Tammy Malinowski OReilly), author of Convenient Suspect, a book about the case. The police report misspells his name (Troutman) and doesnt include his address, suggesting authorities didnt want anyone to track him down, according to Patricias side. At one point, Owens looked directly at Said and reminded him of all of the abuse they endured, allegedly having a knife pulled on her. According to William G. Kelley, director of the Law Offices of the Orange County Associate Defender, Patricia did not receive a fair trial. They also raised concerns about what they considered a lack of evidence, including the lack of fingerprints and eyewitness reports the place Said at the crime scene. Then 31 years old, she had lived a rocky existence. As for him, yes, it looks like the first suspect, but if he had alibis, quite hard to accuse of actually doing it, and I understand it was a pretty solid one. It was total shock. Patricia Wright is a prisoner in Central California Womens Facilitys Nursing Unit coping with an extraordinary array of challenges. Some people are just monsters. She was wrongfully convicted.. you dont want to fall off and hurt your oversized ego. Browns action to grant clemency was rescinded after discovering that Patricia Wright had two prior felonies from when her son stole two 99-cent toys and a hand towel from an open house 15 years earlier. I was so excited that I called everyone, and Joanne picked up the phone and she said Andy is married, and I said I know, then she said we have a baby, and I said yea I know, then she said dont ever call here again. Ive found that in nearly every case, those who are firmly of the opinion shes guilty have an extremely limited knowledge of the case theyve watched one (or perhaps more) of the documentaries which make absolutely no attempt to show anything thats in Rorrers favour (theres plenty, if one bothers to look), and worse, revel in exaggerated and speculative scenes, some of which were never even mentioned at her trial. After researching this case more thoroughly, I stand corrected about the time it took the jury to return a verdict. How is it that these women are paroled? I dont think so. I comment on these forums because they are the only places offering the opportunity to, hopefully, bring awareness to those whore unfamiliar with this case and her unfair plight. Also why if beaten with a gun or with whatever, why was there no blood on the clothing? DNA tests proved the blonde hairs were hers. All of them returned without a DNA analysis because they contained no root material.
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