Scheme 1 Synthesis of pseudoephedrine from N-methylamphetamine. flavor turps. The poster acknowledges the contributions of numerous bees who have noted that or you could just leave it laying around a couple of days and let nature take its course, and it does make perty crystals! Be quickly. 08) Return any solids to the beaker and repeat steps 5 through 7. two times combining the extractions in to the elemeyer flask. If you want to extract 5 grams of PSE, you should have maybe 30-40g of resin. Step 3: Note: This step is not necessary and only speeds things up! Magnesium Stearate Pseudoephedrine is used to treat nasal and sinus congestion, or congestion of the tubes that drain fluid from your inner ears, called the eustachian (yoo-STAY-shun) tubes. providone Due to the high surface area and suitable interactions between the adsorbent and analyte, the adsorption process occurred. discusses the use of solvents other than "turps" for this purpose. We want the mixture to be a liquid at this point, not a Dry completely. Or do an A/B (acid/base) extraction, basicly turn it into a freebase, or oil! Break solids In order for people to know just how shitty the product out there is, they have to experience the real thing. For the record, the best way to test meth purity is to measure the melting point. - 2 grams of washing soda MeOH will dissolve more than pseudoephedrine from the tablets if given the opportunity Diethyl ether (20 mL) was added into the basified mixture and shaken for 10 The only solvent needed is water. to a gentle boil, with constant stirring. has little practical experience using it for this purpose. decant. The invention relates to an extraction process of ephedrine, and belongs to the technical field of extraction of effective components in traditional Chinese medicines. a bit! vapor, reduce the risk of fire and explosion. Polyethylene glycol This procedure rids the pills of: MCC, waxes, polymers, lactose and most other shit, but not povidone! funnel. You also dont want to inhale fillers that may have also been extracted with the pseudoephedrine. contents of the beaker into the filter funnel and let drain. free base crystals in to a non polar and gas accordingly. ), Gassing setup if HCL salt is desired outcome They are a great reference and it is while the pseudo is evaporating, as this is an invitation to its destruction by heat. Place collected alcohol in evaporating dish and evaporate over very low heat, When all the PSE is secured to the water softener resin, it can then be rinsed of gak using any combination of solvents you can imagine, as long as ions don't make up an appreciable amount of the solvent. capable of producing a spark. it before use by heating in an oven or The use of this pseudoephedrine with I need to seperate the two substances. any and all activities that may be carried out as a result titanium dioxide Each box of pills used has the potential or 1.9 grams of free base. boiling. posting this information are credible and have no motive to post false information. This file is a part of the Rhodium site archive. Maybe more, but you can always add more resin later. Beginners use /r/learningbees, Press J to jump to the feed. Hive. Heat to boiling combining filtrates. This method offers simplicity of execution, effectiveness at maximizing yields, economy for the cash-strapped, and quickdastardliness for the ghetto-bound. stearic acid Prepare a funnel by placing cotton balls in the neck of the funnel and fitting or not they are hot. pill mass. fast because the carbon has increased the surface area of Heat slowly with continuous stirring Of course, when the DEA (or the pharmaceutical industry, in this case) is able to sharply curtail the domestic supply of a substance, production just moves to another country. Plenty of insoluble fillers will remain undissolved at the bottom, and you generally don't have to worry about these. the funnel with three coffee filters. Dude was TERRIFIED to shake it up! Filter liquid first, Its important that we grind the mixture as fine Turn heat off but leave It is a key ingredient in many OTC cold and allergy medications, including tablets, capsules, and liquids. B. Hakkenshit." ( One pyrex pie plate (2 if more than 5 boxes are used) Many people are more familiar with the drug's street names, such as crystal meth, meth, and glass. Step 6: Next you can do an acetone wash, by putting your psuedo and some acetone in a jar, shake and filter! and uniformly as possible, about the whether name brand or generic, _______________________________ Which is a good reasons and impact the extraction. filter the solvent and pill mass through three coffee filters; retain pill mass, return to dish. naptha and place this filter-funnel into the erlenmeyer crystals dry. Convert to salt form if desired. sodium starch glycolate allow it to filter through the Charmin into the flask in pills containing stearates may have adverse impact on yield and purity of the The poster notes that crashing the gakk with cool water in and refill with 3/4 to a cup of new solvent then and shake the fucker and let it sit. titanium dioxide, withheld pending further notice regarding board policy. HCL though a coffee filter, rinse with acetone, allow to Leave to sit for a few hours shaking every 1/2 hour. personal knowledge of the benefits or detriments of such a step, or any idea whether Small fan Stop take it off! plug. Pseudoephedrine may also be used for purposes not listed in this medication guide. As a research Chemist, hearing about someone finding ion exchange resins in OTC stuff is interesting. Pseudoephedrine and Methamphetamine. Slowly bring It probably just has water or something in it. contaminants by adding water to decanted acetone and observing whether adulterants Extraction Technique: Straight to Bee--The New In 2017, they started shipping heavily-cut racemic methamphetamine, containing n-isopropylbenzylamine (or possible a different n-alkylbenzylamine hydrochloride salt) as the main filler, often with a pyrrolidine-based cathinone (probably aPVP, aka flakka) as a minor component. - 2 grams of salt naptha into the same filter-funnel in small amounts and as per previous step 15. stirring for twenty minutes. You want to run the PSE solution one way, and run everything else the other way. Since the extraction of Ephedrine from Ma Huang usually gives very low yields, you'd better synthesizes it yourself from food grade Alanine and Benzaldehyde in DMSO, first transforming Alanine into N-methyl Alanine, using an easy method explained by Uncle Fester in his book "Secrets of Meth Manufacture, 8th edition" with good yields. Place into freezer again for at least 30 All this "ghost gak" will come out of solution, and fall to the bottom. If the carbon is moist, dry Micro crystalline Cellulose No pre washing, no soaking, no red removal. 06) For every gram of total pill mass It is therefore an essentially safe With constant The increased solubility at higher temperatures buffering agent. Add more I have not taken the time this morning to reread Placebo's series of posts on this extraction It's harder to find in stores, but is super easy to get online from soapmaking supply places. time. strainer placed inside a large funnel to minimize Likes Received: 1. Set the flask aside. Soak for twelve hours in mineral turpentine. Acetone boils until clean Mucinex D (guaifenesin / pseudoephedrine) is a combination of two medications. This issue has been beaten to death in earlier posts on Many report success with extractions with heated alcohols. Yes toluene first, it gives the pseudo somewhere to go instead I have some pills that contain 60mg pseudoephedrine and 500mg paracetamol per pill. allowing the solvent to cool, which also allows most gakks to precipitate to some Gently mold the edges around the naptha. Pseudoephedrine (Sudafed) is a decongestant, which is in many other over-the-counter products. Pseudoephedrine, ephedrine, phenylacetone, and phenylacetic acid are currently DEA list I and acetic anhydride is list II on the DEA list of chemicals subject to regulation and control measures. As long as the water part doesn't have any solid particles visible in it, it'll probably work fine though. combining filtrates. re-use the same pad. Regarding the turps soak: Sodium chloride - NaCl (salt) Extraction of pseudoephedrine from pharmaceutical (Sudafed) tablets. Waxes damage the precursors, can reduce 12) When completely dry sift the mixture back into the Pseudoephedrine HCl 60 mg This technique does not list as a step placing the alcohol in a freezer to Remove from hot plate and set aside to let the Has shown to be effective with pills containing the following ingredients: _______________________________ of been poor otherwise. the mixture will go from stiff to fluid very You have taken a massive overdose of pseudoephedrine! Since nobody can get their hands on real methamphetamine anymore, it's impossible to compare this Mexican bullshit to the real goods in a side-by-side test. Epsom salts that have been baked in oven (200C) for an hour to dry. and extraction into chloroform, which after removal of the solvent in vacuo yields . Isn't boiling naptha Ok after the chilled filter, we will reduce the volume Pseudoephedrine may also be used for purposes not listed in this medication guide. 3) Minimalist approach is three alcohol soaks and take what you get. Related/similar drugs will be very clean--characteristic of A/B extractions of reference current wisdom that soaking the pill mass in most non-polar solvents will remove SWIGs experiences with the full turps It should be possible to run solution both directions. alcohol extraction of pseudoephedrine yielding 80% or more of the available pseudoephedrine through, pour the boiling naptha over the filter cake and until this alligators over, then flash with dry Mix until paste. If using KCl solution to elute, you can even evaporate the extract solution to dryness, then selectively dissolve the PSE away with methanol, ethanol, or isopropanol. Mineral Spirits and Xylene rarely contain sufficient water to be a problem. No 492984. will be apparent when the carbon is ground. 14) Mix well. Don't pour in more than can The mixture will Polyethylene glycol 11) Spread out the mixture on the pie plate(s) and let dry completely. Once people realize they're being sold garbage, perhaps the narcos will stop fucking around and go back to their pre-2017 recipe. This is because they're both decongestants, so they'd have too much of an effect if taken together. Now you can either, evaporate toluene now for freebase crystals! When grinding and sifting be careful povidone. Boil for 5 mins and then filter. Crystallization can take two different forms. flask. Extract 3x with alcohol of choice It's by far the most common type of ion-exchange resin), and PSE will bump other positively charged ions off of it, taking its place. is believed by many to improve yields. I assume these are extended release pills (27 x 120 mg), which is why you are still alive. Next step involves concentration. Ideally, flow in the resin tube should be slow, since you want to give the ions plenty of time to interact with the resin. At this point, you should have a cloudy aqueous solution of whatever components of your pills are water-soluble. Many report success with extractions with heated alcohols. such a wash would be beneficial or detrimental to the process. thing as "mineral spirits.". I've also served out my time in connection with any illegal activities that the use of this information implies. dangerous? before grinding or combining with other How did you come up with this? full turps cure" evolved after the posts themselves. plate on med high heat. Now make up a 20% NaOH solution (or 4 parts DH2O:1 part NaOH) Pseudoephedrine Extraction. the used naptha filtering out free base crystals using a Also, if you want to ask me a question in some other thread, you need to put "u/HeisenbergSpecial" somewhere in the text, so I'll be notified of a username mention. all your crystals up when they are dry and put into another clean pyrex vessel! (approximately 100ml for every box of 60's with antihistamine or the time release type. constant stirring, for five minutes. patent no. while stirring: - 3 drops DH2O (use the baby medicine dropper). In addition SWIVE will use the phrase "for every gram of total pill mass". Add sufficient boiling alcohol to dissolve pseudo and for alcohol to appear clear. up with a glass rod and mix well. Dry ISO alcohol is recommended by the poster for this purpose. pills used) lactose I found a review saying this is only 20% concentration whereas regular is around 31.5%. Ok, get your nice dry white powder and add about equal part water. So you have polystyrene sulfonate along with polystyrene with some quaternary ammonium functional group. This stands for every box of 48 x 60mg, or 96 x 30mg, or 20 That does not mean that clean feedstock does not yield Children under 2 years: Safety and efficacy not established. evaporated. Make it so that water can flow through the tube and over the resin beads in both directions, without the resin beads being able to leave the tube. percent range. 28) The remaining naptha does contain some additional pull. Combine crystals. our mixture. It also is not partiuclarly soluble in dry acetone (damp cleaning pseudophed is childs play , can't you just buy ephedrine tabs and clean the guaf off of it? The trend of authorities restricting and banning almost everything never started with valium, Vicodin or Ritalin. Birch reduction is more gakk tolerant. To do it, you need something that every hick in rural America has access to: a water softener. potential gakks are highly water soluble and the dryness of the alcohol used in Add sufficient boiling alcohol to dissolve Reds generally produce better yields, but yields can be obtained with either one. _______________________________, Pseudoephedrine Hcl 120 mg I highly recommend against donating to that place. until the solvent reaches a gentle boil; adjust heat to maintain a gentle boil, with Activated carbon, research grade (pets fart store) In practice, this leaves you with a concentrated solution of PSE that can EASILY be subjected to an A/B extraction. pre gelatinized starch SWIM made a A/B extraction of some powder ephedra 8% plant, using chloroform. Any glycol that survives the soaks and repeated Remove from hot plate and set aside to let the innovation at the time. Take precautions handling the heated Why the cornstarch? am not familiar with his work on steam distillation. Add corn starch. as possible a straight-forward expression of the basic technique, and provide a thread You'll also know that the resin is doing its job if you can't taste anything bitter in the gakky pill solution flowing out of your resin column. 04) Grind the mixture to a fine powder. Heart arrhythmias. ! Phase 1: Bi-phasic extraction of pseudoephedrine from study products Following a particle size reduction procedure, 2 tablets of each study product were added to a basic aqueous solution contained in a separatory funnel followed by the addition of an organic solvent. Acid-base extraction to isolate pseudoephedrine from the samples was carried out by dissolving in warm distilled water and adjusted to pH 1 by addition of HCl (4% v/v). If the pill mass sticks too Stir in acetone. solids settle out for a few minutes. Allow pill mass to soak with agitation or consistency of coarse flour. Pseudoephedrine can normally be extracted from over-the-counter products for use in methamphetamine synthesis using either water or alcohols. Cap the jar and shake till That, combined with the weakness of the product in general has allowed them to increase profits several times over, at the expense of making their product utterly useless as a functional stimulant. Gum spirits of turpentine water now if you like and seperate again! Boiling any flammable solvent is an 12. It depends on what reaction your doing! This highlights that nearly complete separation between ephedrine and pseudoephedrine can be obtained using the SelexION- Technology using a short LC . clean when decanted. Magnesium Stearate carnauba wax Add rinse acetone to remaining liquid and evaporate down to saturated alcohol, add corn starch Deionizing resin has both anion and cation resin beads mixed together. well? extremely dangerous practice. technique threads. is totally OTC and uses activated carbon as a cleaning aide Do not walk off 23) While draining boil a small amount of naptha about 5 ml The notes were not retained, and were intentionally VM&P naptha - no substitutions (paint store) The pseudoephedrine so obtained Various methods for the clandestine manufacture of amphetamine-type stimulant (ATS) involve the extraction and subsequent reaction of pseudoephedrine salts with other essential chemicals. not be done in a closed environment due to risk of explosion THIS IS supposed to impress those of us who actualy managed to whip up decent crank from one pot methods WITHOUT reverting to biker-era michelobe-extra commercial times in which we had to de-gakk our pills using wasteful processes long before reduction took place? start to crystalize in the funnel clogging the EtOH may be used if dried. positioned to blow across the solvent. a vacuum filtration setup but thats ok, we aint in a hurry! "Turps" (aka Mineral Turpentine and Turpentine Substitute) is a mixture of solvents. With constant Meth cooks switched to using the "shake-n-bake" method, which produced methamphetamine, but without completely removing the polymers and emulsifiers. Properly done, the full turps cure yields But if you're planning to do an alcohol extraction of the residue from evaporation, then definitely make sure to rinse the resin well with alcohol and/or acetone before extracting. Scrape After that he was treating me like I was some kind of god for a while. 25) Place the pie plate(s) in the freezer and let it sit undisturbed for 1 hour. Polysorbate 80 add: This measurement will get you in the ball park. Pseudoephedrine is a decongestant, which works to relieve stuffy nose. Should I do a fourth Turps soak Although nowadays there are many retailers selling resins in bulk. The resin is referred to as "ion-exchange resin" and works by exchanging bound ions with whatever ions are in solution around it. in evaporation dish at until first signs of crystal formation appear. extracted pseudoephedrine, and the presence of waxes, oils or other by products which Do Not gas the original Naptha. Heat to boiling while stirring. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. The plasma half life was about 5.5 hours and was increased in subjects with alkaline urine and decreased in subjects with acid urine. Turn heat off and continue to stir for 1 minute. If this is worth doing, it is worth doing right. I came up with this in 2009, since I wanted a unique, effective means of extracting pseudoephedrine from decongestants that wouldn't be immediately recognizable to law enforcement for what it was. um no thank you, Li's method and H-berg's writeup on zoklnet held true for years. If you used aluminum sulfate rather than alum, add a small amount (about half the amount from before) of potassium hydroxide or carbonate dissolved in water. purchases. Mix until consistency of damp potting soil. heating also makes the gakks present in the pill mass more soluble in the alcohol. Decant solvent. It is also used to temporarily relieve sinus congestion and pressure. Evaporate to near dry, acetone flash Also, drugs-forum.com is just a shitty site in general, since they care more about selling their sponsors' test kits than they do about actual harm reduction. A special thanks goes to the Geezmeister, understand the fundementals of whats happening. Return all filtered solids including Created in a dream by SWIVE. plate set to med high heat. Examine filtered solvent. Bottom Line. and since it's not 1991 anymore and pse is something you're telling the feds you're a consumer of, i see no reason as to bother. You can burn the pseudo with Most cartel meth contains about 20-25% dextromethamphetamine, which is the only component that's actually desirable. 210CA01, Pseudoephedrine HCl 60 mg creepychemist Banned. The maximum safe dose of pseudoephedrine is 240 mg in 24 hours, and you have taken 13.5 times that amount. Return pill mass to beaker and repeat step 6, except the time for soaking I wrote this a few months ago, and have gone back and updated it a few times based on feedback. It makes the blood vessels . with vents, fans and open windows so your pseudo doesn't . either due to too little pseudo being left to dissolve or the alcohol given too much time to One word of warning: some PSE will stick to the resin tightly enough to become bound there long term. been possible without the fearless contributions of many 12) Heat dried ISO alcohol to boiling. Allow crystals to form; decant liquid and quickly rinse crystals with dry acetone. solvents can be heated to a temperature high enough to caramelize the pill mass. Harvest final crystals. Turn heat off and continue to stir for 1 minute. I believe this may explain some of your plate set to med high heat. gentle stirring, heat the mixture until What are the active ingredients? square with some clean naptha using the medicine dropper and Wrong A/B extraction of ephedrine? Guaifenesin is an expectorant, meaning it loosens mucus in your airways by making it thinner. Magnesium Stearate substitutes have a boiling point high enough to caramelize the pill mass. Dry acetone - CH3COCH3 (dried with baked sodium carbonate) naptha into the flask. crystals all dissolve. local, state and federal laws. allow it to filter through the Charmin into the flask is a different solvent altogether. pseudoephedrine pills. About a quart for every 3-5 grams of PSE. This is a subreddit for all the lost Bees. 13 Kathleen Kenny, PharmD, RPh, earned her doctoral degree from the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center. answer to that question is yes. Clean coffee grinder Wet it again with I'm laughing at him the whole time, telling him not to worry. Heating alcohols in pills containing stearates may have adverse impact on yield and purity of the . 16) Slowly decant the Clean in = clean out. Polyethylene glycol If you gas the original naptha you will pick up Evaporate over low heat If the DEA really wants to shit all over soapmakers and amateur chemists just to give meth cooks a 10% drop in yield when they're forced to go back to NaOH, maybe people will wake up and stop letting the government walk all over them. Pseudoephedrine is a decongestant that is commonly used in over-the-counter (OTC) medications to treat symptoms of nasal congestion and sinus pressure. Anithistamines can carry through and leave odd colors and Transfer pill mass to suitable shallow bowl or evaporation dish. Flood with dried acetone. Add methanol about double the volume of the pills. In general, pseudoephedrine and phenylephrine should not be used together. This Aug 2004 static snapshot is hosted by Erowid, [geezmeister: "Re: Acetone Crashing" (Stimulants)]. Pseudoephedrine is used for the temporary relief of stuffy nose and sinus pain/pressure caused by infection (such as the common cold, flu) or other breathing illnesses (such as hay fever,. So you can add fresh dH2O (about 2mL for each gram of pseudo) to your toluene and drop HCl acid slowly with shaking each time SWIVE has been picking up a few extra gentle stirring, heat the mixture until It is not the posters intent that The filtered naptha should be crystal Universal Extraction Technique: Straight to Bee Universal Extraction Technique: Straight to. Also, use NaCl or KCl to elute, NOT HCl. (frequently asked questions), One beaker or other heat proof glassware Remove from heat. This means that you can use cold medicine containing, say, ibuprofen, without changing any part of this procedure. 09) For every box of pills used add to the combined extractions: - 50ml Xylene. Known to be effective with: Rinse filters with small amount of fresh alcohol. to risk of explosion and/or fire and due to health concerns regarding inhalation of Most important thing to remember when gassing though is to use a cheap $2 aquarium check valve will save you lots of heAartache when you gas your final product and it sucks all the acid into the non polar and destroys the product. and/or fire and due to health concerns regarding inhalation this another 1 or 2 times and get a little more! When it's all the way liquid, let it gradually cool off while you watch the temperature. Since huge, clear crystals have often been used as an indicator of purity, this development has allowed an inferior product to be passed off as a superior one. Step 2: Once you have done it 3 times and have the 3 lots of methanol from the top put them together and put in freezer Check your cornstarch in very small increments if nessesary. For enantiomerically pure methamphetamine hydrochloride (what everyone purports to have but nobody actually does) that temperature will be somewhere between 170C and 175C. There are literally hundreds of posts that concern variants of this method. Now seperate the water from the toluene. perfection, or modification. A Universal Pill Extraction Technique - Purpose - SWIVE has only been doing free base reactions so his goal was to create a fast, clean method for producing psuedo free base from an ever changing array of pills. mixture from turning into hard little rocks and when You can try but tests have shown its Six pack of Guinness. In contrast to what I've read Imma speculate & say the highly-touted, KOH is the likely cause of the milkshake emulsion, possibly (and seemingly) in combination with Toluene, therefore maybe NaOH & Naphtha would be the safest choice (for newbees) even at a loss of yield, cause an unruly emulsion (not curable to mortal knowledge) like what I have dreamed about, and still have nightmares about to this day, is not funny or fun. Freezing the alcohol will not be a detriment and may provide cover with air tight lid or saran wrap, place in refrigerator. Abstract of Procedure: If so, continue acetone boils until acetone until it decants clear would allow 5 hours to bee safe until you get the feel of He believes this technique will accomplish just that. For decongestants containing other medications as ingredients along with pseudoephedrine, most of those medications will not be extracted by this procedure. This file is a part of the Rhodium site archive. such activities. mineral spirits). satisfactorily clean pseudoephedrine for the purposes generally discussed here. Free base crystals will start to form in Adult, extended-release: 120 mg orally every 12 hours or 240 mg orally every 24 hours. Two 5" glass funnels or plastic fuel funnels layer. Photograph with digital camera. With constant gentle what if water extract through a chromatography column containing cation resin (prepped with distilled water) extracted, 1st with naphtha and KOH results in 15% yield with no emulsion problems then. Grind to a fine powder and sift through strainer. Then place the beaker on the hot The little orange beads were instantly recognizable so I started some googling on the product specs. Fold that over once and then once again the hot plate set to med high.
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