As a Black girl, I felt I was supposed to look this way. . I notice that for whatever reason certain words will trigger the language to switch to French on my phone, and then I have to go back and correct everything. Before we move on to SuKal this Thursday, there are still some bits to catch up on from the Terra Firma arc of Star Trek: Discovery. Just when it looks like the character has finally grown as a person and doing her own thing, comes right back. Hopefully its . At New York Comic Con, TrekMovie participated in some group interviews with members of the cast and crew,. I let go of my preconceptions about what star trek is. STAR TREK and its various marks are trademarks of CBS Studios Inc. 2023 CBS Studios Inc./Paramount Pictures Corp. 2006-2023 SciFanatic Network | Legal/Privacy Info, Copyright 2023 | MH Newsdesk by MH Themes, Podcast: All Access Dives Into The Latest Episode Of Picard And Probes Star Treks TV (And Movie) Future, BREAKING: Star Trek: Discovery To Conclude With Season 5, Review: Star Trek: Picard Runs Deep In Seventeen Seconds, Watch Picard And Riker Reverse Their Classic Roles In Star Trek: Picard Episode 303 Clip, J.J. Abrams Talks Compelling Story For Star Trek 4; Chris Pine Expresses Frustration Over Wait, Just when it looks like the character has finally grown as a person and doing her own thing, comes right back., I love how Disco has put the human back into the human experience. And I agree wholeheartedly. Theres a little Harley Quinn. That is assuming the this Starfleet Academy show is set in the 32nd century. The rumors started and spread like wildfire when some fanatics of Star Trek Discovery found out that Mary gained a few pounds between the seasons. I think Mary is doing a fantastic job as isSonequa, Their characters are fantastic as are all the others. Jerks. That was an awfully fast turnaround. It was a good perspective in S1, and lines up with Star Trek values. By indicating that shes not ashamed of her body? And how and how would your abilities be used in the Mirror Universe? There are a number of places you can receive professional help and I strongly recommend you seek that help. Gotta side with Sascha here. Basically a good officer whos been in Starfleet for some years but her career stalled due to emotional and self-esteem issues. Her character of Cadet Tilly in Star Trek Discovery is warm and positive. When I was around 12 I used to eat peanut butter and drink Ensure, a meal replacement drink, before I went to sleep. You two are Michaels boyfriend and best friend, so does Michael becoming captain create any new tension in season four? Mack is one of the core group of Trek authors going back to shortly before Nemesis. I suspect that Prodigy may use some of the elements that Beyer expanded or created for Full Circle without actually developing any of the overall story arc. Hey writers room go back to TNG and see how a child became an honourary bridge officer on the Enterprise D. (something equally puzzling to say the least) Picard did it because the Traveller who could traverse space time and see the future and past told Picard it was extremely important to encourage the boy. It doesnt matter either way but with so much Voyager mythology created in those novels, it would be cool to see some of it translated on this show! The writing for him is trying in season 1, but from Samaritan Snare onwards I actually think hes kinda endearing and has decent utility. Would a woman watching this aspire to be a Tilly or aspire to be a Dax, Kira or Janeway? This show has been for a niche of Trek fandom not the mainstream. Sonequa is a great actress. I would not say it isnt a valid creative decision to try this approach, especially in an age where we are emphasizing the need for self-care, its just not to my taste. Why do you think being nervous or anxious means that you can not graduate from the academy? It seems like people like her say: this is me. Its just lazy writing. That promise was. Background information. If I was a public figure I would do zero social media, ignore the internet, cash my massive paychecks, sign autographs for real in-person fans I meet, and be so thankful Im not working in a grunt job making minimum wage. Im sorry I can sugarcoat it. I think the character would have been much better served if Tillys quirks were something that changed as the character grew over the seasons. If you cant understand that message, then you are very much part of the problem. Well said, Edward. I read somewhere that Gates McFadden and Marina Sirtis had somewhere in their contract a stipulation that they had to fit into their costumes. In fact most iterations of Trek the actors have provided a neutral delivery of their native accent. You are always very insightful. Tilly is the product of lazy writing and a lazy showrunner. David Ajala: I would be very dangerous. So. This was to reveal the true intents and emotions of the players in each plot, which highlights the role they play in momentous choices in high-stake situations. And to have somebody step in and defend you is really meaningful. I agree! Between 2011 through 2015, she attended Juilliard School's Drama Division, where one of her students was future Star Trek: Discovery actress Mary Chieffo. Patrick Kwok-Choon is the only one of the bridge officers that doesnt have another regular acting or producer/director role. Trolls that bodyshame others are a lower life form. As an actress and a person I dont mind her at all, shes lovely. I guess making Tilly first officer isnt anywhere close to ridiculous as making KT Kirk a Captain who was still a cadet and had probably spent 2 weeks in space before he got the jobbut its pretty damn close. Her character Tilly is not my favorite on the show but body shaming is a shameful act by itself. The moment they decided to incorporate a new character with basically the same characteristics (a young, socially awkward, but very smart ensign) they ruined Tilly. You can start with those or the later books in the Time to sequence without significant confusion. And for your own gain, right? I wanted to be bigger and I spent much of my childhood, adolescence and even into my young adulthood doing all kinds of things to get bigger. She laughs at the memory. Correct me if I am wrong, but did she not have to take a command course at some point? It makes sense there would be and that they be a part of the medical team. People sit around a lot more nowadays for a lot of reasons. Which I think would be a tremendous mistake. And its funny that you bring up needing constant therapy as a bad thing when a ton of real life people see a therapist on a regular basis. Everybody loves Tilly. Except the writers of course. I see those things and they hurt me because Im a person. As long as the stories remain laser-focused on the *people* their *relationships* and the *emotions* generated therein, instead of ships, gadgets, and effects, well be fine. Yes! Unity? Weve seen Captain Killy, so what does Mirror Universe Book look like? She also revealed some of her inspirations for this version of Tilly: There is a little Azula from Avatar: The Last Airbender in there. That is not anything to diss. So her appearances ended up not being 100% awful. 89. Im not the idiot fringe but her weight is none of our business (and, also, she had a baby before S3, I believe). Mary Wiseman as Tilly in episode 402, Anomaly. My suspicion is they farm this out to sweatshops somewhere in Asia. It always cracks me up when people say that they hate Tilly. Tilly is a Harry Kim, Wesley Crusher, Travis Mayweather sort of character at least for me. Well second most after Burnam , she was fine in season 1 and 2.past 2 seasons theyve rushed her character developmentsame with michael.the vulcan minded human became human real fast. Heck I think it was more unrealistic when some chick was upset he wasn't ready for sex. But because of Discovery we have Lower Decks, Picard, Prodigy, Strange New Worlds, Short Treks, possibly Section 31 and the Academy show. Story: With . It inspired her to switch careers. Its all pretty subjective. Its a problem in even some least developed countries now. I think others that make such claims are having their own feel feels hurt or nostalgia rattled. He was non-military, the same height as me, and easily weighed 300#. Come on she looks great. I hope were able to explore it because theres potential for great levity, but then also really important conversations to be had because when you care about someone you dont want to see them go through pain, and I can see completely how Tilly will be very protective of Michael Burnham. Shes a badly conceived written and conceived character theyve desperately tried to bolster. Theres a difference between celebrating obesity and accepting individual human beings, treating them as human beings, and not targeting them specifically for emotional harassment. I highly doubt the writers decided to just write her off for the hell of it (especially given how much everyone in the cast and crew love her). I realize there are people who like his quirks. but it looks like she did simply did it because she was her friend and room mate. Then maybe I would actually remember his name! You are correct, it comes down to the same thing, poor plot development. Tillys anxiety got old real fast. Unfortunately PICARD turned out to be set in the same period, so it derailed my plans, although later I did figure out a way to explain the considerable differences in the Prime Universe. They should have tried to make Tilly more credible first. Being encouraged to eat only what ones body needs is another thing entirely. If we dont have tolerance and respect, how are we able to learn and improve humanity!? That was why she was never in uniform the first few seasons. | December 23, 2020 | And I know Chakotay was also Captain on Voyager in those books as well. Im glad you figured out what works for you, but Im not cool with a Star Trek board in 2021 focusing on an actors weight or appearance, especially when its a man commenting on a womans weight. The problem is, very deep into his 80s, and theres still chatter about him playing the action hero. I know most dont share my opinon that after a terrible first half of S1, I have generally liked Discovery but making Tilly first officer was quite possibly the most ridiculous plot twist in the history of Trek. But of course this being Star Trek they SPOILER ALERT bring her back to life! I have nothing against Mary Wiseman. STAR TREK and its various marks are trademarks of CBS Studios Inc. 2023 CBS Studios Inc./Paramount Pictures Corp. 2006-2023 SciFanatic Network | Legal/Privacy Info, Copyright 2023 | MH Newsdesk by MH Themes, Podcast: All Access Dives Into The Latest Episode Of Picard And Probes Star Treks TV (And Movie) Future, BREAKING: Star Trek: Discovery To Conclude With Season 5, Review: Star Trek: Picard Runs Deep In Seventeen Seconds, Watch Picard And Riker Reverse Their Classic Roles In Star Trek: Picard Episode 303 Clip, J.J. Abrams Talks Compelling Story For Star Trek 4; Chris Pine Expresses Frustration Over Wait, I hope Mary Wiseman is okay or has a good reason for her weight gain since S1. Nah Book is Boba Fett and I want to see the spin-off series THE BOOK OF BOOK :-). I wonder if there is any news that she might be pregnant. And if youre able to use that against someone, that could be very, very dangerous. PS. I assume my feelings towards them are what Wesley-haters endure. If that scene reflects something she regularly incorporates into her real-life, then I think she will be just fine and she can tell the haters to go pound salt. Episodes will be. Something happened to Tilly (Wiseman) and Bryce (Rowe). I dont believe any of the other series had a therapist on the bridge. I like seeing her in the series and like knowing that girls who are considered chunky by their teen or tween peers will know they can become something special and respectable, even if they dont have the ideal Hollywood body type. A rare, successful example of this is James Gunns Guardians otG and Suicide Squad, in which a similar premise is treated comedically yet with a touch of sincerity, so as not to devolve into outright farce. Having a discussion about healthy weights, healthy eating and physical activity and how thats important is a good Star Trek message. Every woman is very beautiful. However, with the successive changes in show runners the coherence of Burnhams development has been lost. Weight gain from thyroid issues, anti depressants, steroids, is a fairly small percent of the population. Or are you only a troll if you criticize something about Discovery? David Ajala: Legit, its still very palpable here. Is her awkwardness all that different from Ezri on DS9? We want people to get their facts from reliable health sources, not celebrities, so saying actors should be sending some sort of fitness message is just backwards. You made very good points and I do agree. Weve seen a lot of big men in Star Trek but no big girls. I think Saru will just be the surrogate first officer again although he is now a captain. I found him quite annoying, myself. The Berman era had specific ideas about things like accents and music that kind of locked it into something fairly homogeneous. Gee, so some Trek fans can be @$$holes. A statistical average does not justify shaming or ridiculing anyone. I truly do love this show, but Burnham and Tilly are so damn annoying. I guess some people would rather the perfect people of TNG than anyone that mirrors back anything they dont want to see in themselves. Wiseman would be smart to ignore the haters because their posts are rooted in negativity and hate. 42 comments so far. Mary Wiseman is a good actress but even with that, if Star Trek Discovery was shot in 80s or 90s producers would probably force her to go on a diet or even fire her. After all, it DOES seem as though Tilly is gone from the crew for the time being. Since you said mum Im going to assume youre in the UK, and I can personally confirm that you can get some great help, including face to face therapy, through the NHS, for free. Jury still out on Books character.definitely ahead of the 2 dimensional bridge crew though. Bad writing, illogical story arcs, unbalanced tempo, underdeveloped characters or sudden jumps in character development. Just mentioning few of their values. She makes it all look so easy. And Kirsten Beyer probably consults on that show too along with her duties on Picard and Discovery, so its possible at least. She opted that she had a different calling within the world of teaching and, in the end, she decided that she wanted to chase that feeling. Mary Wiseman: That experience affects her so much this season. Im proud to be here and I am proud to wear my skin-tight costume and proud of my body. Im glad for you that you didnt find him annoying. She is one of the best things about Discovery. And yeah, some of us are coach potatoes, most of us certainly not gold cut supermodels. The very basis of Star Trek is in direct conflict with people like that. And honestlyKirk wouldnt last a week in a military environment. These are not well-written or well-acted characters, and they weaken the series every time they show up. And now, with only three years under her belt in the field, From future Starfleets POV, thats 900 years! With his skill and abilities, we will see how he may use them in a way that may affect his relationship with Michael Burnham. Jack perhaps you were at the Dave Chappelle protest screaming Judas, you are starting to sound like the type who gets sensitive over everything. Good points. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. . Harry wasnt annoying. I would just be happy if Rhys got more than three lines an episode lol. So I think we pick up with her after some time has passed since the events of that season, but shes still sort of not really sure what to make of it, and everything that used to be really comfortable isnt sitting as comfortably as it used to if that makes sense. (80's for ya) The Tilly we saw as Earth, check that United (eyeroll) Earth was being evacuated is NOT the same Tilly we saw for the previous 40+ episodes. And now, with only three years under her belt in the field, only two of which were as a ranked officer, they think shes somehow ready to train the next generation of recruits?! Im not surprised people making mean comments, some people will find whatever they can that they know will upset everyone and say it. #StarTrekDiscovery #MirrorLandry pic.twitter.com/Ed0nbToiQH, Rekha the leaves (@TheRekhaSharma) December 19, 2020. Its one thing thats definitely been improved upon by the more recent stuff. Its not celebrating obesity to say that her body is her business and nobody elses. She cant control her weight. It is their choice to be as they choose to be, and their responsibility to deal with the pros and cons of whatever fitness choices they choose. Can Picard go round the sun once more and rescue Saru from Discovery? That however does nothing to mitigate the way Burnham has been written to be unforgivably self-absorbed throughout many of the key moments of the series. My point was Why does the ships therapist have a bridge station? Especially when there were just so many more qualified people for the job on and off the ship. And tons dont. I know Gene Rodenberry never wanted Starfleet to be portrayed as a military outfit, but this has gone so far in the opposite direction that its being run like a pre-school participation awards ceremony. Marys my TV crush for the last 3 years. Plenty of curvy ladies are quite healthy and active. Its shall we say very variable. Look at the progression of Nog on DS9 from Quarks juvenile-delinquent nephew in season 1 to Starfleet Ensign in the Dominion War on how writers can make you believe in a characters growth and progression. As long as Wesley Crusher exists she will always be in a race for that title. Tillys a fantastic character. See more at the Paley Center for Media Arts' Star Trek: Discovery Fight for the Future exhibit in Los Angeles, now through July 7th. Ive never liked Tilly. However, we do know that David Mack does. And doesnt that just make the point about the difference between fitness and apparent chunkiness or curveyness. Sharing? I recall when Trek featured a French captain with an English accent. Harry wasnt annoying watching him was just sad :-D. Im glad for you that you didnt find him annoying. Learning? Seasons one through three are available to stream now on CBS All Access. Episodes will be. The only writers they need are people who can polish it up enough so that you cant tell its machine-written. With Discovery now firmly planted in the distant future, Paradise notes the importance of ensuring that that show remains connected to the larger Star Trek universe through well-placed references . Overall, I like the fun character of Tilly (too bad the writers room made her first officer). Yes but Star Trek shouldnt be about lazy writing, poor character development and bad storytelling. Release date: Star Trek Discovery season 4 will release on November 18 in the US. Im sure nearly everyone of the crew of TNG had issues and problems. Just like every other character in a show that generally is badly written. Remember , they had steroids and thyroid problems in the 80's, but the majority of people were off normal weight, which today would be called skinny. Fan favourite is a bit of a stretch..quite possibly the most irritating character in Trek history Except that would imply that her being there was the exception rather than the rule. First of all, because theres more options for cosplay now, because she changed her hair. But I have to say, when they named her Killy, it made the already off-kilter character even more ridiculous. At the other end, underweight is also unhealthy and associated with other risks, but gets less negative attention in entertainment. Watch as SFX makeup transforms Doug Jones into Saru for Star Trek: Discovery. ;). So, although he does the occasional guest star role in other shows produced in Canada, he could take on a larger role on Discovery.
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